Starting Issues - 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.2L Sedan
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Starting Issues - 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.2L Sedan
I'm making this a new thread per advice from this post.
I'd appreciate any suggestions as I see the help available here is thoughtful and genuine.
I am having a no-start issue with my 2007 Saturn Ion 3, 2.2L Sedan.
360,000 miles. All mine.
Daily driver, 100 highway miles round trip to work 5 days a week.
I live in the South, near the Gulf Coast. Hot and humid. Never "cold". No road salt.
EDIT
I can do literally anything I want to do with the car, except start it. The light all come on, the radio works, chimes go off, etc.
The Passlock is not the issue as the light doesn't stay on. Just the normal few flashes.
I had a friend of a friend replace my A/C back in July/August 2023. He replaced the compressor, accumulator, and another small part or two.
Within a week of getting it back, I got stranded at the courthouse with a blown ignition fuse (10A). I replaced the fuse and got back home.
After this, it would semi-regularly blow the 10A Ignition fuse (and occasionally a 15A fuse in that spot), but not every single time. I figured I'd get a pack of fuses and replace them as it happened.
The day I got stranded, the first time the ignition fuse blew, the car shut off as I was shifting from Drive to Park. I was at my destination (thankfully), and had already stopped for gas prior to this. It was hot (July/August) and the car had already been driven 40+ miles.
There was one other occasion that the car shut off while shifting from Drive to Park, and luckily I was pulling into my driveway.
That was basically the last time it cranked. Parked my driveway on incline. Couldn't get it into garage to lift it up on jack stands until last week.
Got the car raised up. I've checked basically every cable and connection I can get to. There were 3 connectors near, A/C equipment which, had fluorescent green liquid in them. Like the dye to find A/C refrigerant leaks. I've dried them out the best I could. From memory: the connector near the Brake Fluid Reservoir, the Neutral Safety Switch, and the connector (not Alternator) right above the A/C compressor.
- Battery is new. I even tried cranking with jumper cables connected to my VW (running, so 14V+).
- Starter is good (bench test by me, bench test at O'Reilly). I can jump the Starter with the purple wire post and the battery post, but no actual crank. Starter spins but nothing. Even with someone inside turning the car to "Start".
- Fuses are all currently good
- Relays are all currently good (even have a new spare 3064 to play with).
I've had trouble in the past with the ignition holding onto the key, but not every time. I'd just override with the button. I've tried cranking in Park and Neutral.
Using information from the above referenced post, I can get the car to turn over by jumping pins 30 and 87 on Relay 31. However, it won't actually start. Even with someone inside turning the key to "Start".
When I bought the 3064 relay, I also got a new ignition switch to try, just in case. However, I can't currently get it out to replace it. Trying to find a mini socket wrench.
Thanks in advance, and if anything else is needed, please let me know!
I'd appreciate any suggestions as I see the help available here is thoughtful and genuine.
I am having a no-start issue with my 2007 Saturn Ion 3, 2.2L Sedan.
360,000 miles. All mine.
Daily driver, 100 highway miles round trip to work 5 days a week.
I live in the South, near the Gulf Coast. Hot and humid. Never "cold". No road salt.
EDIT
I can do literally anything I want to do with the car, except start it. The light all come on, the radio works, chimes go off, etc.
The Passlock is not the issue as the light doesn't stay on. Just the normal few flashes.
I had a friend of a friend replace my A/C back in July/August 2023. He replaced the compressor, accumulator, and another small part or two.
Within a week of getting it back, I got stranded at the courthouse with a blown ignition fuse (10A). I replaced the fuse and got back home.
After this, it would semi-regularly blow the 10A Ignition fuse (and occasionally a 15A fuse in that spot), but not every single time. I figured I'd get a pack of fuses and replace them as it happened.
The day I got stranded, the first time the ignition fuse blew, the car shut off as I was shifting from Drive to Park. I was at my destination (thankfully), and had already stopped for gas prior to this. It was hot (July/August) and the car had already been driven 40+ miles.
There was one other occasion that the car shut off while shifting from Drive to Park, and luckily I was pulling into my driveway.
That was basically the last time it cranked. Parked my driveway on incline. Couldn't get it into garage to lift it up on jack stands until last week.
Got the car raised up. I've checked basically every cable and connection I can get to. There were 3 connectors near, A/C equipment which, had fluorescent green liquid in them. Like the dye to find A/C refrigerant leaks. I've dried them out the best I could. From memory: the connector near the Brake Fluid Reservoir, the Neutral Safety Switch, and the connector (not Alternator) right above the A/C compressor.
- Battery is new. I even tried cranking with jumper cables connected to my VW (running, so 14V+).
- Starter is good (bench test by me, bench test at O'Reilly). I can jump the Starter with the purple wire post and the battery post, but no actual crank. Starter spins but nothing. Even with someone inside turning the car to "Start".
- Fuses are all currently good
- Relays are all currently good (even have a new spare 3064 to play with).
I've had trouble in the past with the ignition holding onto the key, but not every time. I'd just override with the button. I've tried cranking in Park and Neutral.
Using information from the above referenced post, I can get the car to turn over by jumping pins 30 and 87 on Relay 31. However, it won't actually start. Even with someone inside turning the key to "Start".
When I bought the 3064 relay, I also got a new ignition switch to try, just in case. However, I can't currently get it out to replace it. Trying to find a mini socket wrench.
Thanks in advance, and if anything else is needed, please let me know!
Last edited by sphsjags; 02-12-2024 at 07:00 PM. Reason: Added info
#4
Relays are not blowing that fuse. You need to look at things that fuse feeds.
Which is blowing?
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Home >> Saturn >> 2007 >> ION L4-2.4L >> Repair and Diagnosis >> Powertrain Management >> Diagrams >> Electrical Diagrams
ENGINE CONTROLS SCHEMATICS
Power, Ground, MIL, and Serial Data
Engine Data Sensor - 5-Volt and Low Reference
Engine Data Sensors - Pressure, Temperature, and MAF/IAT
Engine Data Sensors - HO2S
Engine Data Sensors - APP and TAC
Ignition Controls - Ignition System
Ignition Controls - Sensors
Fuel Controls
EVAP Controls
Controlled/Monitored Subsystem References
Locations: The locations for the Connectors, Grounds, Splices, and Grommets shown within these diagrams can be found via their numbers at Vehicle Locations. Locations
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Which is blowing?
Operation CHARM: Car repair manuals for everyone.
Home >> Saturn >> 2007 >> ION L4-2.4L >> Repair and Diagnosis >> Powertrain Management >> Diagrams >> Electrical Diagrams
Electrical Diagrams
ENGINE CONTROLS SCHEMATICS
Power, Ground, MIL, and Serial Data
Engine Data Sensor - 5-Volt and Low Reference
Engine Data Sensors - Pressure, Temperature, and MAF/IAT
Engine Data Sensors - HO2S
Engine Data Sensors - APP and TAC
Ignition Controls - Ignition System
Ignition Controls - Sensors
Fuel Controls
EVAP Controls
Controlled/Monitored Subsystem References
Locations: The locations for the Connectors, Grounds, Splices, and Grommets shown within these diagrams can be found via their numbers at Vehicle Locations. Locations
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#5
The Ignition Fuse (10A, Fuse 11) was the one that was blowing. Back when it would actually crank/start.
I'm not that great at reading these, and especially tracing from page to page.
I can do literally anything I want to do with the car, except start it. The lights all come on, the radio works, chimes go off, etc.
The Passlock is not the issue (I doubt it) as the light doesn't stay on. Just the normal on for a few seconds at the beginning.
When I try to crank it, the headlights dim while in the "Start" position, even with jumper cables connected to my running VW SUV. But it never turns over or starts.
I'm not that great at reading these, and especially tracing from page to page.
I can do literally anything I want to do with the car, except start it. The lights all come on, the radio works, chimes go off, etc.
The Passlock is not the issue (I doubt it) as the light doesn't stay on. Just the normal on for a few seconds at the beginning.
When I try to crank it, the headlights dim while in the "Start" position, even with jumper cables connected to my running VW SUV. But it never turns over or starts.
Last edited by sphsjags; 02-12-2024 at 09:11 PM. Reason: Added info
#7
When I bought the new 3064 Relay the other day, I also got a new Ignition Switch.
I replaced the Ignition Switch just now and was expecting to have to do the Passlock relearn. However, I've watched videos of people doing that and my car didn't show anything like that.
I'm trying to attach a picture of my dash with the new Ignition Switch installed, key in "Run", and hooked up to my VW via Jumper Cables.
I replaced the Ignition Switch just now and was expecting to have to do the Passlock relearn. However, I've watched videos of people doing that and my car didn't show anything like that.
I'm trying to attach a picture of my dash with the new Ignition Switch installed, key in "Run", and hooked up to my VW via Jumper Cables.
Last edited by sphsjags; 02-12-2024 at 08:41 PM. Reason: Stupid phone formatting...
#9
Probably a stupid question, but is that key the one you always use? Perhaps the key is worn out and if you have a spare or could get a new one cut from the VIN and NOT the old key, it would make better contact? IDK, as I'm not a mechanic like Andy or Gary. I'm just trying to think outside the box and from working on my own cars for 50+ years.
#10
Probably a stupid question, but is that key the one you always use? Perhaps the key is worn out and if you have a spare or could get a new one cut from the VIN and NOT the old key, it would make better contact? IDK, as I'm not a mechanic like Andy or Gary. I'm just trying to think outside the box and from working on my own cars for 50+ years.
Thanks for the thought.