Saturn S Series Sedan SL, SL1, and SL2

Saturn 97 SL1 AC restoration.

Old Mar 3, 2025 | 12:24 PM
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Thank you, Greg.

(Nice to have you back)
 
Old Mar 3, 2025 | 10:17 PM
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Thanks. I like the courtesy and respect on this site as well as trying to keep these cars going.
 
Old Mar 6, 2025 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg97SW2
Thanks. I like the courtesy and respect on this site as well as trying to keep these cars going.
Quick update
This job was almost completed on Monday 3/2/25. Everything went relatively smoothly up until I charged the system. When I was charging the system I made a mistake that caused a Evaporator Core to Thermal Expansion Valve O-ring to blow. I will be making the repair tomorrow and hopefully charge the system without any mistakes.
 
Old Mar 6, 2025 | 08:59 PM
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Go man, go!
 
Old Mar 11, 2025 | 10:40 PM
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Overall, the restoration was successful.
Before the repair the A/C system was nonfunctional.

Now the A/C works, and on full blast produces air at a temperature of 46 Fahrenheit.
Cold air !!!
Cold air !!!

I thank the heavens and the Lord Almighty that I was blessed enough to achieve this result. Driving in the Kentucky summer heat will be considerably more comfortable this year.

This car still had its original compressor which failed long before I bought the car. When compressors fail it is generally wise to flush what can be flushed, and replace what can't be flushed. A compressor failure can send metal shards throughout the system that can destroy new components if they are not flushed properly. Therefore, I decided to do the following work:

Replace:
The compressor, discharge hose, the condenser, the receiver drier, and the thermal expansion valve;

Flush:
The liquid line, the evaporator core, (and the new suction and discharge hoses)

Charge the system:
With 1.5 lbs of r134a refrigerant

Test the performance:
Using manifold gauge readings.

I planned out the work into 8 phases. The plan document can be found here.
I took a few photographs along the way to document some of the work, which I will share in the upcoming days. It will take some time to organize the photographs I have into a helpful post.
 
Old Mar 11, 2025 | 11:01 PM
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Congrats, sir.

If you can make a self contained start to finish thread with multiple posts as needed that would be awesome. If you can include the planning portion as text and not a link, then everything will be self-contained with no way to break in the years to come.

Of special interest will be any specialty or uncommon tools required for the work, sources for different parts etc. Obviously, we are thankful for whatever you submit. There are quite a few S cars out there still running that need the same thing. Including mine.

Thanks
 
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Phase 1: Remove Components to Access Work Area



Suggested Tools/Equipment:

  • Ratchet drive
  • Metric sockets
  • Socket extensions
  • Channel locks or pliers (to remove intake hose clamp)
  • Throttle body gasket
  • Flathead screwdriver (for disconnecting electrical connectors)

Instructions:


  1. Remove the air box cover, intake hose, and the throttle body assembly.

    The intake air hose, air filter cover, and throttle body are removed.  This provides enough space to work on the thermal expansion valve.
    The intake air hose, air filter cover, and throttle body are removed. This provides enough space to work on the thermal expansion valve.
  2. Remove the front left headlamp to gain access to the condenser inlet/outlet. The charm.li manual has no procedure for how to do this, but the video below quickly explains how to do it. The relevant information begins at 1:38. The video shows the procedure on the passenger side, but it's exactly the same for the driver side, too. Only the driver side headlamp needs to be removed. Don't forget to unplug the electrical connectors for the low beam and high beam bulbs, and to unscrew the turn signal socket from the headlamp assembly.


    The driver side headlamp is removed, providing space to access to the condenser inlet and receiver drier hose.
    The driver side headlamp is removed, providing space to access the condenser inlet and receiver drier hose.

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End of Phase 1

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The charm.li service manual does not instruct you to remove the throttle body. However, I believe it would be impossible to work on the thermal expansion valve with the throttle body installed, so I suggest removing it. If you have never removed the throttle body before, it would be wise to have a replacement gasket on hand in case the old one disintegrates during the removal process. If you want to, this would also be a good opportunity to clean your throttle body.
 

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Phase 2: Photograph the Routing of the Hoses and Lines



Suggested Tools/Equipment:

  • Camera
  • Floor jack
  • Jack stands or ramps (to take photographs from underneath vehicle)

Instructions:

  1. Take photographs to record how the suction hose is routed (compressor to thermal expansion valve).
    Suction hose (marked with yellow)
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  2. Take photographs to record how the discharge hose is routed (compressor to condenser inlet).
    Discharge hose (marked with teal)
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  3. Take photographs to record how the condenser outlet hose is routed (condenser to receiver drier).
    Condenser to receiver drier hose (marked with red)
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  4. Take photographs to record how the liquid line is routed (receiver drier to thermal expansion valve).
    Liquid line (marked with blue)
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End of Phase 2

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The purpose behind this phase is to establish a record of how the hoses are routed through the engine compartment. When the time comes to reinstall components, knowing how the lines are routed is key. This step will also help you familiarize yourself with how the AC system components are interconnected. You can rely on the photographs shared here to help you identify your components, but it would be best to take your own photographs because it is possible that your vehicle configurations are not identical.
 

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Old Mar 12, 2025 | 08:54 PM
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Nicely done this will be very helpful., As soon as the engine is in my 98 SC2 and running the next task is the AC I have most of the new parts including new Compressor. All except Evap...which this old body is not up the task of pulling the dash and heat/ac unit out.
 
Old Mar 15, 2025 | 11:46 AM
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Phase 3, Part 1: Component Removal (and Some Installation)



Suggested Tools/Equipment

  • Floor jack
  • Jack stands or ramps
  • Ratchet drive
  • Metric sockets
  • Metric open end/box end wrenches
  • Metric crowfoot wrenches (for torque spec on hose fittings)
  • Low-torque torque wrench
  • R12 refrigerant oil (for lubricating O-rings; hard to find but worth it)
  • PAG46 refrigerant oil (8 oz. is plenty)
  • Replacement condenser
  • Replacement receiver drier
  • Replacement compressor
  • Replacement O-ring kit (ideally use original O-rings, but not always possible)

Instructions:

  1. Review the O-ring bulletin.
  2. Remove the old condenser.
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  3. Install the new condenser.
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  4. Add 22.5 ml (3/4 oz.) PAG oil to condenser.
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  5. Remove the old receiver drier.
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  6. Install the new receiver drier.
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  7. Add 30 ml (1 oz.) PAG oil to the receiver drier.
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  8. Connect the receiver drier to the condenser with a lubricated O-ring.
    Note1: The service manual instructs to use R12 mineral oil to lubricate O-rings and specifically warns against using PAG oil. R12 systems have been largely phased out of use, so the oil was difficult to find. However, it is available on Amazon (in a large size) here.
    Note2: This fitting requires a crowfoot wrench to properly torque. The fitting for the outlet on my system is 22mm, and the fitting for the inlet is 24mm.
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  9. Remove the compressor suction hose.
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  10. Remove the compressor discharge hose.
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  11. Disconnect the liquid line from the thermal expansion valve.
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  12. Remove the thermal expansion valve.
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Phase 3 continues in next post...

 

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