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jag8923 04-14-2016 07:58 PM

02 saturn vue v6 awd won't crank
 
Hi guy I'm new here. Ought my 02 saturn vue a week ago with a blown motor I replaced the blown motor with another good motor I could crank it by hand before I put the motor in now the motor installed and I can't spin it by hand now and when I try to crank the starter just makes a clunk noise and nothing any ideas would be great thanks

derf 04-14-2016 08:23 PM

first thought is an issue with the tranny not mating properly w the engine resulting in the flywheel being bound up (stuck), preventing rotation of the engine

jag8923 04-14-2016 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by derf (Post 54262)
first thought is an issue with the tranny not mating properly w the engine resulting in the flywheel being bound up (stuck), preventing rotation of the engine

That's what I was thinking but everything going went together smooth but in the morning I'll disconnect the motor and trans and see if I can spin it

Rubehayseed 04-15-2016 06:38 AM

I agree with derf. Did you swap the engine from a manual shift to an automatic or vice versa, by any chance? It could just be the difference of a pilot bearing binding, if that's the case. If not, then maybe it's just not properly aligned.

jag8923 04-15-2016 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Rubehayseed (Post 54266)
I agree with derf. Did you swap the engine from a manual shift to an automatic or vice versa, by any chance? It could just be the difference of a pilot bearing binding, if that's the case. If not, then maybe it's just not properly aligned.

My car is auto and the new motor I got is auto also

Rubehayseed 04-15-2016 01:23 PM

Did it all free spin before you installed it, or did you just check the engine? Sounds like you have something in a bind. But, I'm not a mechanic and don't know anything.

jag8923 04-17-2016 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rubehayseed (Post 54270)
Did it all free spin before you installed it, or did you just check the engine? Sounds like you have something in a bind. But, I'm not a mechanic and don't know anything.

Hey guys it was my torque converter stopping the engine from spinning over got it fixed and car started had miss fires on 1,3,5 swapped coil pack and car wouldn't start at all so I swapped the old one back in and now I'm not getting any fuel

derf 04-17-2016 08:46 PM

Clear the codes and start again.

Swap the 13 5 coil w the 246 coil (both that were in the car when 1 3 5 misfire was occurring.

If the misfire follows he coil, the ignition coil ( now 2 4 6 is misfiring, coil is bad

There us also a known issue regarding the intake manifold bolt torque

http://www.justanswer.com/uploads/BO...take_botls.pdf

don't know if you are reusing the old gasket and or if you are using a torque wrench to meet torque specs

jag8923 04-18-2016 11:39 AM

Update to problems
 
I swapped coil pack and it's bad but I have 2 vacuum lines idk where they go can some one text me ill send pics of lines I can't post them 2197894559 thanks

Originally Posted by derf (Post 54287)
Clear the codes and start again.

Swap the 13 5 coil w the 246 coil (both that were in the car when 1 3 5 misfire was occurring.

If the misfire follows he coil, the ignition coil ( now 2 4 6 is misfiring, coil is bad
The coil pack is bad also I have to vacuum lines I can't remember where they go I'm going to try to send pics or if some one can text me ill send them pics
There us also a known issue regarding the intake manifold bolt torque

http://www.justanswer.com/uploads/BO...take_botls.pdf

don't know if you are reusing the old gasket and or if you are using a torque wrench to meet torque specks


02 LW300 04-18-2016 01:28 PM

I'm pretty sure the car will not run if you swap the coil packs. The front set costs about $20 more than the rear. I read somewhere probably here the the front set contains the ignition module. I would use the coil packs from the junk engine but put them where they belong.

derf 04-18-2016 05:04 PM

Sorry bout that --- you learn something every day. Sorry it was at the expense of your time.

Pretty funny, though--lots of troubleshooting all over the net to do just that (swap coil positions). The threads never had any resolutions though -- should have been a red flag

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02 LW300 04-19-2016 09:27 AM

Moving individual coils around is an accepted diagnostic practice. We have the Ford factory diagnostic software at work but we did not purchase the "vmm" from ford. It is the adaptor to test various components including coils. We stock a variety of new coils that fit our fleet and use them in our diagnostic routine.
In the days of oil cooled coils they were very reliable. Coils were replaced but they were seldom the cause, usually the condenser had failed.
It seems that spark plugs cause most of the random misfires these days.
Cars used to get tuned up every 12,000 miles, plugs, points and a condenser. Wires seemed to last until they came out with H.E.I. Ignition. Of course they extended the plug gap and lengthened the replacement interval.

derf 04-20-2016 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by derf (Post 54297)
Pretty funny, though--lots of troubleshooting all over the net to do just that (swap coil positions). The threads never had any resolutions though -- should have been a red flag

What I meant was that there are many threads out there for this exact engine where advice was given to swap the coils as step 1 in troubleshooting. But those threads never had any conclusions or posted solutions....

i guess I just proved my own (obvious) adage:

"There's a whole lot of information on the internet -- some of which is true."


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