What type oil in Manual Transmission Sl1 DOCH
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Honestly, your best use of $$ would be to purchase a set of the 24 Saturn issued Field Service Manuals: This one looks like a steal
1991 1992 Saturn Complete Service Shop Owners Manual 24 Books | eBay
You will have all the info a Saturn Technician had back in 1992.
Cannot find on CD
However, the shipping weight might make it too expensive......
1991 1992 Saturn Complete Service Shop Owners Manual 24 Books | eBay
You will have all the info a Saturn Technician had back in 1992.
Cannot find on CD
However, the shipping weight might make it too expensive......
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Alternatively, I found a used copy of the 91-93 Saturn Chilton book; it's no service manual but does contain a lot of information
There are three for sale; the $5.00 with no picture is likely a mess.
This one seems nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chiltons-Sat...c37efc&vxp=mtr
The other one is overpriced
The one above ships to US only so someone would need to ship it to you.
There are three for sale; the $5.00 with no picture is likely a mess.
This one seems nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chiltons-Sat...c37efc&vxp=mtr
The other one is overpriced
The one above ships to US only so someone would need to ship it to you.
Last edited by derf; Aug 4, 2015 at 09:17 PM.
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Another question that may seem stupid ... I find it difficult to seek information on the Internet in English, and the answers I hear from you personally for me it is very convincing.
Our timing in the engine belt or chain? And how often should I change it?
Our timing in the engine belt or chain? And how often should I change it?
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There was/is no Saturn recommended interval for timing chain replacement. Back in 1991, I don't think they realized they had designed an engine and body combination that, if maintained, would last several hundreds of thousands of miles.
Basic engineering tells us that the chain will wear and stretch over time. Equally importantly, the chain guides will wear and the tensioner may loose tension over time, thus increasing the chance of a timing chain related issue.
It seems the best indicator of timing chain/guide/tensioner health is how it sounds.
If it starts to get rattly or noisy from the timing chain cover area, it's time to pull the timing chain cover and inspect. Make sure the oil passages to it are not clogged.
You might as well change the chain, tensioner, and guides.
Saturn used to sell a timing chain kit for this purpose.
A lot of s car owners will change them (chain/tensioner/guides) around 175-200K mi just to be safe. Seems that there are not many failures earlier than that and the ones that do get noisy before they fail and should be addressed when noisy.
Then again, I have a 95 SC2 DOHC with 236K on it......pushing my luck.
Basic engineering tells us that the chain will wear and stretch over time. Equally importantly, the chain guides will wear and the tensioner may loose tension over time, thus increasing the chance of a timing chain related issue.
It seems the best indicator of timing chain/guide/tensioner health is how it sounds.
If it starts to get rattly or noisy from the timing chain cover area, it's time to pull the timing chain cover and inspect. Make sure the oil passages to it are not clogged.
You might as well change the chain, tensioner, and guides.
Saturn used to sell a timing chain kit for this purpose.
A lot of s car owners will change them (chain/tensioner/guides) around 175-200K mi just to be safe. Seems that there are not many failures earlier than that and the ones that do get noisy before they fail and should be addressed when noisy.
Then again, I have a 95 SC2 DOHC with 236K on it......pushing my luck.
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Not sure what you mean by bulkhead. Difference in terminology, that's all.
I have 248 K on my 97 SC2.
Here's what I did
The 97 SC2 was a completely rebuilt motor--head and all.
The 95 SC2 got new compression and oil control rings, probably a burnt or bent valve replaced, and who knows what else in the head. I say this because it was supposed to be a fully rebuilt motor just like the 97, but a Saturn dealer near Pittsburgh ripped me off big time before I knew better and the wife needed her car back. We were living in NJ and got taken advantage of.
So I assume the water pump and timing chain are original to the car and I need to think about replacement. The wild fluctuations in operating temperature lead me to believe the water pump has little left of the fins that circulate the coolant.
The key to the longevity is OIL Changes, and keeping up with oil consumption if the motor begins to burn oil.
My 97 lost a cylinder at 180K. For not a whole lot more $, I could get a rebuilt motor and a new clutch, so I did.
The 95 also went at about the same mileage. So 180K seems to be about the limit where the compression rings are worn to the point that compression is way down and the oil burning is so significant that a rebuild is a good idea.
Frame rust is probably a bad issue for you in Russia.
All the technical issues above are for the DOHC motor.
SOHCs are known to last longer than the DOHCs before a rebuild becomes necessary
And try not to let the car overheat. The head is aluminum and may warp, leading to many issues.
I have 248 K on my 97 SC2.
Here's what I did
The 97 SC2 was a completely rebuilt motor--head and all.
The 95 SC2 got new compression and oil control rings, probably a burnt or bent valve replaced, and who knows what else in the head. I say this because it was supposed to be a fully rebuilt motor just like the 97, but a Saturn dealer near Pittsburgh ripped me off big time before I knew better and the wife needed her car back. We were living in NJ and got taken advantage of.
So I assume the water pump and timing chain are original to the car and I need to think about replacement. The wild fluctuations in operating temperature lead me to believe the water pump has little left of the fins that circulate the coolant.
The key to the longevity is OIL Changes, and keeping up with oil consumption if the motor begins to burn oil.
My 97 lost a cylinder at 180K. For not a whole lot more $, I could get a rebuilt motor and a new clutch, so I did.
The 95 also went at about the same mileage. So 180K seems to be about the limit where the compression rings are worn to the point that compression is way down and the oil burning is so significant that a rebuild is a good idea.
Frame rust is probably a bad issue for you in Russia.
All the technical issues above are for the DOHC motor.
SOHCs are known to last longer than the DOHCs before a rebuild becomes necessary
And try not to let the car overheat. The head is aluminum and may warp, leading to many issues.
Last edited by derf; Aug 4, 2015 at 09:47 AM.