Saturn 97 SL1 AC restoration.
I don't see anywhere where you initially test the system for leaks.
It is quite common for the evaporator to develop a leak on the s cars.
I highly recommend you rule out evaporator issues before putting in the time, effort, and money.
It is quite common for the evaporator to develop a leak on the s cars.
I highly recommend you rule out evaporator issues before putting in the time, effort, and money.
The UV dye was found only at the compressor, and as I understand the gm compressors were also known to fail.
Of course, there is always a chance that the evaporator core leaks in a manner that I couldn't detect.
Last edited by Rootmazur; Feb 28, 2025 at 11:55 PM.
Interesting....
I am no AC guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm asking the following in an attempt to be both helpful and to learn.
Those look like o ring failures (?)
What I don't understand is that If one line is the high side and the other line is the low suction side, how would they both be expelling refrigerant with dye to that extent? If the low side of the compressor is pulling a suction, should there be any positive pressure at that connection allowing or pushing refrigerant out past the o-ring? Or do I have my pressure differential physically backwards in my mind. (As in the pressure is zero at the compressor where the suction line attaches but is negative in the line, so the pressure differential from line to compressor is say -10 to 0 which is positive.....?? But then how does the low side Port read positive if this is the case? Or is that a vacuum pressure and I didn't look at the gauge carefully enough?
Just trying to understand The finer points of AC. Not sitting here throwing rocks. I want you to succeed, not only for you, but for me. My 95 SC2 hasn't had fully functional air in a decade. Very few people take the time to restore AC on these turds, so when I see someone making the effort and putting out the $, I try to help in whatever way I can while also learning something if possible.
For the benefit of others, it would be great if you could take some sort of photo corresponding to each of that list of steps. Nothing elaborate. Maybe add " watch out for" comments where applicable. The goal is a complete sticky on how to perform what you're doing. Possibly a tool inventory for the entire job as well if possible.
Good luck..... please keep us informed of your progress.
Thanks
Derf
I am no AC guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm asking the following in an attempt to be both helpful and to learn.
Those look like o ring failures (?)
What I don't understand is that If one line is the high side and the other line is the low suction side, how would they both be expelling refrigerant with dye to that extent? If the low side of the compressor is pulling a suction, should there be any positive pressure at that connection allowing or pushing refrigerant out past the o-ring? Or do I have my pressure differential physically backwards in my mind. (As in the pressure is zero at the compressor where the suction line attaches but is negative in the line, so the pressure differential from line to compressor is say -10 to 0 which is positive.....?? But then how does the low side Port read positive if this is the case? Or is that a vacuum pressure and I didn't look at the gauge carefully enough?
Just trying to understand The finer points of AC. Not sitting here throwing rocks. I want you to succeed, not only for you, but for me. My 95 SC2 hasn't had fully functional air in a decade. Very few people take the time to restore AC on these turds, so when I see someone making the effort and putting out the $, I try to help in whatever way I can while also learning something if possible.
For the benefit of others, it would be great if you could take some sort of photo corresponding to each of that list of steps. Nothing elaborate. Maybe add " watch out for" comments where applicable. The goal is a complete sticky on how to perform what you're doing. Possibly a tool inventory for the entire job as well if possible.
Good luck..... please keep us informed of your progress.
Thanks
Derf
Interesting....
I am no AC guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm asking the following in an attempt to be both helpful and to learn.
Those look like o ring failures (?)
What I don't understand is that If one line is the high side and the other line is the low suction side, how would they both be expelling refrigerant with dye to that extent? If the low side of the compressor is pulling a suction, should there be any positive pressure at that connection allowing or pushing refrigerant out past the o-ring? Or do I have my pressure differential physically backwards in my mind. (As in the pressure is zero at the compressor where the suction line attaches but is negative in the line, so the pressure differential from line to compressor is say -10 to 0 which is positive.....?? But then how does the low side Port read positive if this is the case? Or is that a vacuum pressure and I didn't look at the gauge carefully enough?
Just trying to understand The finer points of AC. Not sitting here throwing rocks. I want you to succeed, not only for you, but for me. My 95 SC2 hasn't had fully functional air in a decade. Very few people take the time to restore AC on these turds, so when I see someone making the effort and putting out the $, I try to help in whatever way I can while also learning something if possible.
For the benefit of others, it would be great if you could take some sort of photo corresponding to each of that list of steps. Nothing elaborate. Maybe add " watch out for" comments where applicable. The goal is a complete sticky on how to perform what you're doing. Possibly a tool inventory for the entire job as well if possible.
Good luck..... please keep us informed of your progress.
Thanks
Derf
I am no AC guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm asking the following in an attempt to be both helpful and to learn.
Those look like o ring failures (?)
What I don't understand is that If one line is the high side and the other line is the low suction side, how would they both be expelling refrigerant with dye to that extent? If the low side of the compressor is pulling a suction, should there be any positive pressure at that connection allowing or pushing refrigerant out past the o-ring? Or do I have my pressure differential physically backwards in my mind. (As in the pressure is zero at the compressor where the suction line attaches but is negative in the line, so the pressure differential from line to compressor is say -10 to 0 which is positive.....?? But then how does the low side Port read positive if this is the case? Or is that a vacuum pressure and I didn't look at the gauge carefully enough?
Just trying to understand The finer points of AC. Not sitting here throwing rocks. I want you to succeed, not only for you, but for me. My 95 SC2 hasn't had fully functional air in a decade. Very few people take the time to restore AC on these turds, so when I see someone making the effort and putting out the $, I try to help in whatever way I can while also learning something if possible.
For the benefit of others, it would be great if you could take some sort of photo corresponding to each of that list of steps. Nothing elaborate. Maybe add " watch out for" comments where applicable. The goal is a complete sticky on how to perform what you're doing. Possibly a tool inventory for the entire job as well if possible.
Good luck..... please keep us informed of your progress.
Thanks
Derf
I suppose (assuming there are bad o-rings) that the reason the compressor would leak out of the suction side is that when the compressor clutch is not engaged, or is not active or when the car is not running, then the negative pressure on the low side returns to a positive pressure? Not exactly sure...
Anyways, I decided to check the evaporator core drain tube one last time for UV dye before beginning this morning, and I noticed two other problems that need to be taken care of first (dry-rotted line from Charcoal Canister to the EVAP Purge Solenoid and a leaking power steering hose), so the AC project will be delayed probably until Monday.
Seems like a reasonable explanation. The pressures do equalize between the high and low side when it is not actually compressing, so indeed there is nothing forcing it out. At the same time, If there is a leak at the o-ring, it will eventually seep.
Glad my nagging uncovered some collateral things now rather than later.
Glad my nagging uncovered some collateral things now rather than later.


