1994 Saturn SL, turning over, no start.
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1994 Saturn SL 1.9L SOHC Tonight I replaced the starter thinking that was the issue and it wasn't. The car is turning over but is just spinning. There is fuel coming from the TBI so that's not the issue. I checked all the fuses, they're all fine. I replaced the plugs and wires today in case it was a spark issue. So now I'm thinking it's the ignition coils. Is there any way to test them before I goto scavenging at the junk yard for replacements? What other things should I check? The engine just spins smoothly, it doesn't make a regular cranking noise, it's very odd. Just whiiiiiiir not whir-whir-whir. If that makes sense. |
It might be a defective ECTS. Electronic coolant temperature sensor. It's a known issue with the Saturn 1.9 engines and can cause all kinds of problems. DON'T get one from your local Autozone or Advance, etc. You really need to find a GM dealership that still sells Saturn parts and get it there, along with the pigtail. Now, I'm no mechanic and am not saying this is your problem, but it could be. Check for spark at the plugs simply by removing one, attach the plug wire back on it and ground it somewhere on the engine where you can see it and have someone crank the engine. If it sparks, you'll see it and be able to eliminate that as a cause very quickly. Your next step would be a compression test.
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Oh dear --
I think Rube may have hit the key here -- a compression test is definitely next on the list. I'm almost afraid to read your results .... |
Right on, a compression test is never a bad idea on a second-hand car that has been bought in such bad shape. Is there a guide for replacing the coolant temperature sensor?
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Straight forward swap-out of defective part with new OEM device (get the electrical connector replaced too) About $40.00 for parts, and an hour's time for you.
That said, I'd run the compression test before doing anything else .... just my opinion |
I'll see if I can rent a compression gauge from Autozone tomorrow.
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Bad news, she's dead. Tried cranking it with the oil cap off and there is no valve movement whatsoever.
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Broken timing chain, at a guess ... that's what I was afraid of when you said it sounded "different" when ya tried to crank it up.
Gonna have to open this one up, and assess the damage ... sorry about that. Might start looking around for a replacement engine at a wrecking yard. |
Yep, if the valves ain't moving, the cam ain't turning. It may be salvageable. I'd' open it up and check it out if it were mine, before condemning the engine.
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If I had a garage and the car was in good shape overall that would be one thing. But I don't and the car still has a slew of other problems. It looks like I would have to drop the transmission to access the timing chain, and there could be valve and piston damage. The transmission is already shifting odd so we're going to cut our losses and buy a new (used) car and haul this one off.
I appreciate the input guys. Who knows, it may be another Saturn. |
I see quite a few on craigslist for sale around here. Prices aren't too bad and you can always talk people down some with cash in hand.
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Yeah, I have found an 2000 SC, and a 2001 SC for less than 5k. I'll have to save some cash and see what I can find.
The resale value on Saturns is complete crap making bargains available. |
Merkle85, just for reference purposes, do you have an idea on about how many miles this engine had on it? I believe from your other posts that the odometer was broken but maybe you got an estimate from the former owner. I would appreciate the data.
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Originally Posted by keith
(Post 37807)
Merkle85, just for reference purposes, do you have an idea on about how many miles this engine had on it? I believe from your other posts that the odometer was broken but maybe you got an estimate from the former owner. I would appreciate the data.
The previous owner had inherited it from his dead uncle I believe. The odometer stopped working right as it was ticking over to 150k miles. The car obviously had not been maintained. It had an oil leak and was driven while the oil level was very low causing premature wear and tear. It had also been towed behind an R.V. and looked like it had been sitting up for years. |
Thanks.
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Merkle --
Do you know whether the car was "dolly towed" or "flat towed" ?? |
Originally Posted by OceanArcher
(Post 37830)
Merkle --
Do you know whether the car was "dolly towed" or "flat towed" ?? My g/f said it just felt down on power, it wouldn't start, then it stopped cranking over properly one day. Idk when the failure actually happened. |
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