DTC's Present: Direction Needed
Hi, my 02 SL1 has largely been a pretty decent car, but it has some issues I need to correct before my wife has to resume using it as her daily commuter car. The DTC's present are:
- P0301 Cylinder 1 Misfire - P0507 Idle Air Control System RPM Higher Than Expected - P0410 Secondary Air Injection System By order of elimination, my intent is to begin by looking for a vacuum leak, checking/replacing the ECT sensor, and then possibly replacing one or all fuel injectors if needed. I could definitely use some experienced input. |
With the engine running, spray some throttle body cleaner around the #1 cyl (closest to serp belt and pulleys) intake manifold runner where it meets the head----ALL thE WAY AROUND AND BETWEEN 1 and 2.
If the rpms rise, you've found your "vacuum leak" which in turn causes the increased idle and misfire on that #1 cyl. The problem is that part of the intake manifold gasket has gotten partially "sucked in" to the head and thus the seal between the head and I/M is compromised. Very common on the SOHCs of this era. Happens at #1 b/c I/M bolt pattern does not provide enough support near #1. Resolution: Replace intake manifold with a stiffer one than the original to keep this from happening again. ------------------------------- P0410 -- Sec Air Inj Sys There is a great video by richpin06a that walks you through diagnosing the Sec Air Inj System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIrmkxj6wJE Richpin has a huge catalogue of Saturn related videos on Youtube covering all kinds of stuff, |
Derf is right on. With the exception of checking the spark plugs, especially #1, I would guess that it is the intake manifold gasket. Felpro makes an updated design that has metal inside the gasket that addresses the issue.
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I can't tell how glad I am to have some real direction to follow here. I'll keep you guys up to date on how it goes.
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The best way to do the job from underneath the car. Drain the coolant first. There is the radiator drain, and a 10mm bolt that is right under the thermostat housing that drains the rest.
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After spraying throttle body cleaner around the vicinity of cylinder #1 there was a noticeable jump in the RPM. So, now I get to replace the intake gasket. It only took two tries for me to get the right part because even after specifying that I had a SOHC, they ordered one in for a DOHC. I thought something was off when the box they handed me seemed a little short.
As for the P0410, it turned out to be a bad relay. Once I get the intake gasket replaced I'll have to see if there is anything else I need to be concerned with as it pertains to the air pump. I'm afraid to admit that code has been present for a while. Once again, thank you all for the input and the recommendation about accessing the bolts from underneath. |
It really isn't a bad job. I did it on my 01 last year. I'm trying to remember if there are any tricky parts, but I think it was fairly straight forward.
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I was finally able to get back to fixing the car, and so far there is a significant improvement in the idle. It is sitting where it should be now. Hopefully nothing new pops up when I take it for a test drive.
On a side note: I was really surprised and amazed by how much carbon build up had occurred inside of the intake manifold. Cleaning that thing out turned out to be quite the chore. |
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