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timmerz 04-22-2014 07:59 PM

'99 SW2 fan not cycling...
 
I have replaced:
thermostat
fan relay
ECTS and pigtail (bought OEM)
Checked all fuses, all appear good...radiator fan won't cycle automatically, what am i missing?

derf 04-22-2014 09:00 PM

try wiring fan connector directly to battery to ensure fan motor itself is not defective

Rubehayseed 04-23-2014 06:45 AM

It could just be a dirty, corroded connector. Do what derf said and make sure it's not a dead motor. Does it come on if you turn on your a/c?

timmerz 04-23-2014 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Rubehayseed (Post 43446)
It could just be a dirty, corroded connector. Do what derf said and make sure it's not a dead motor. Does it come on if you turn on your a/c?

Yep, fan comes on fine if the ac circuit is enabled...can't figure out why it won't cycle automatically...

Rubehayseed 04-23-2014 05:37 PM

Gotta be a loose or dirty connection between the relay and then fan, I'd think. BUT I'm not a mechanic and sure as hell am not an electrician either. I just do what I have to do and have kept my cars running for over 40 years. I don't work on other peoples cars because they keep expecting you to do more and more and get pissed when you start charging them!

timmerz 04-23-2014 09:03 PM

Thanks for the input, Ruby...i'm totally mystified here, and wish i was a decent enough mech to figure this out...

derf 04-23-2014 09:59 PM

If fan comes on w AC engagement, we know
1)relay is good and socket is clean enough
2)fan motor is functional
(Shoulda asked that first--sorry)

What we don't know is
1)if the resistance response of the ECTS is correct (I believe the voltage drop across the ects is what triggers the PCM to command the fan relay to engage)
2)if there is, per Rube, a wiring problem betw the ects and PCM.
________
How is the dash gauge behaving? My Sattys both don't kick in the fan until right below the start of the red. Always been that way. Does the gauge get that high?
Is the car actually overheating? Is the gauge indicating an overheat?
________

Note that the ects info lets the pcm infer the coolant temp and also drives the temp gauge on the dash (indirectly)

timmerz 04-27-2014 11:41 AM

The gauge is acting perfectly now that the ECTS and harness are new...before it was a little notchy and occasionally would not register anything until 10 minutes into the drive...i will run it today and let it get above the normal engagement point and see if the engagement point might have been reset somehow...

timmerz 04-27-2014 07:35 PM

.....aaaaaaand success...temp got about 1/8th of an inch higher on the gauge than it used to kick on and came on like nothing bad had ever happened...it used to kick the fan on right at the half mark, now it kicks it at just above the half mark, and drops it down to the other side of the half mark...i'm happy!:p

Rubehayseed 04-27-2014 10:29 PM

Well, all righty then. If you're happy then I'm happy. I can't speak for the rest of the guys.

derf 04-28-2014 08:46 AM

The best problem to have is no problem at sll.

Glad mystery is solved. Funny hoe the human brain gets into rut from which it is not easily jarred loose.

Drive on, TIMMMMAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY


Originally Posted by timmerz (Post 43480)
.....aaaaaaand success...temp got about 1/8th of an inch higher on the gauge than it used to kick on and came on like nothing bad had ever happened...it used to kick the fan on right at the half mark, now it kicks it at just above the half mark, and drops it down to the other side of the half mark...i'm happy!:p


timmerz 04-28-2014 11:23 AM

HUGE load off my mind, now I can get to the other tiny petty little details that need to be addressed before I give the car back to Grandson...

derf 04-28-2014 11:48 AM

hey please go to the user control psnel and update your sig to match the style of everyone else's -- this way we know who you are, what you drive, how many miles, etc--then you don't have to keep posting it and we don't have to ask later down the line.

thanks

timmerz 04-28-2014 11:51 AM

K....
Thought I had done that a long time ago, guess not? Going now, sorry!

derf 04-28-2014 11:52 AM

no harm no foul

timmerz 04-29-2014 01:46 AM

Is this more like it?

Rubehayseed 04-29-2014 06:32 AM

Yep, that's what they want, Tim. Maybe not the entire stable of vehicles, just the Saturn!

derf 04-29-2014 09:02 AM

uh huh. That's what "we" (?) want.
Personally, the whole stable of vehicles gives further insight into the life and times of our fellow members.

Wow, that sounds kinda creepy...like we're collecting data on you.
Too bad....too much work to delete

timmerz 04-29-2014 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by derf (Post 43502)
uh huh. That's what "we" (?) want.
Personally, the whole stable of vehicles gives further insight into the life and times of our fellow members.

Wow, that sounds kinda creepy...like we're collecting data on you.
Too bad....too much work to delete

I totally don't mind having this kind of info out there...like you say, it does effectively round out the personae a bit...just realized I didn't notate my boats, but don't want to look like a smart-ass now...;)
What's ironic as heck is that with all the fun stuff I've got, I have almost NO wrenching skills, I tend to break stuff every time I go trying to fix something! :D


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