uncljohn
08-30-2010, 11:18 PM
It is not uncommon to see more and more often in automotive forums these days comments about the owners high mileage and long in tooth car of choice, in this case the Saturn S cars burning oil.
There are a number of logical reasons including poor design that this can be attributed to but personally here is mine.
When EPA leaned on Detroit to impove gasoline mileage some bright guy (or gal because this is not gender specific) decided if you recommended the lightest possible oil you can get away with, the miniscule improvement in gasoline mileage might be able to be used for advertisement purposes with out regard to the long term side affects the light weight oil usage might have on engine durability. After all, the factory only has to back it for the length of the warrenty.
Now I am old school. I blew up my first car I owned when I used straight 10 weight oil (state of art at the time) in during the summer, a time that required at least a 30 W oil on something that was 10 years old and had 100,000 miles on it. Why? It was written on the last oil change lable and I did not know any better.
There were oil weight viscosity vs temperature charts then that I never heard of and surprising enough they still exist today, except now they refer to the motor oil equivelents rather than the straight weights of yesterday, although they are included.
So fast forward a bit, learning there is a preferred oil to run as the car ages, is driven in the summer vs the winter, hot vs cold etc. etc. untill you get to todays car where imprinted on the oil cap is the number 5W20. The modern equivelent of the oil I used to blow up my older high mileage oil consuming first car. An Oil that when it first came out was recommended as a winter weight alternative oil.
So what has been used since day zero and is argued about today must be used, the original factory recommended high fuel economy favorable oil on the 10 year old + high mileage cars that are now scattering thier guts all over the road while consuming oil and running hot.
And people are asking what to do about it.
Unfortunatly in most cases, nothing, it is too late. The damage has been done. But what could have been done to prevent the damage which in general is excess wear, stuck piston rings from pistons running hot, valve guide wear, valve seal failure and a number of other things caused in general by running oil that was too light for too long that did not reflect operational variations of conditions that could be compensated for by running heavier oil.
The following artical is a good read. It is one of many, it talks about this a bit and makes motor oil viscosity recommendations based on temperatures.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/oil_viscosity.htm
For my own purposes since 1979 I have lived in the South West where winter temperatures generally are about 50 degrees and summers can be about 100 or so. For the last 15 years in Arizona where winter temperatures are often in the 60's, it can get colder but doesn't except about 2AM in the morning and during the summer it is not uncommon to be over 100 degrees a full 1/3 of the year.
Every car I own runs 20-W-50 except my New Chrysler which runs Mobil 1 synthetic which is 15-W-50. This oil gets installed at first oil change when the car is purchased or when the engine gets rebuilt. Which ever the circumstance. I restore my own cars.
My Saturn was purchased 2 years old and was changed to 20 - W - 50 motor oil at the time.
It now has a bit over 100,000 miles on it. It does not consume oil between oil changes and according to any Oil Viscosity Chart I have seen that compares recommended Viscosity vs Temperature 20 W 50 motor oil is well with in the acceptable range.
I have not had a car consume oil since I left the snow belt and could afford cars that were not all ready trashed.
What can you do?
First, change oil to a heavier viscosity. If things are not worn out to the point oil consumption has increased, it may prolong that point.
If you are already there, it may slow down the oil consumption. Do not expect miracles.
I have on rare occasion, been able to stop oil consumption using an additive such as Z-MAX which might be causing stuck oil rings to free up if used for a while.
But I would not want to bet my life on it.
So other than expensive rebuild, check oil often and add it when needed. Oil is cheaper than a new engine.
There are a number of logical reasons including poor design that this can be attributed to but personally here is mine.
When EPA leaned on Detroit to impove gasoline mileage some bright guy (or gal because this is not gender specific) decided if you recommended the lightest possible oil you can get away with, the miniscule improvement in gasoline mileage might be able to be used for advertisement purposes with out regard to the long term side affects the light weight oil usage might have on engine durability. After all, the factory only has to back it for the length of the warrenty.
Now I am old school. I blew up my first car I owned when I used straight 10 weight oil (state of art at the time) in during the summer, a time that required at least a 30 W oil on something that was 10 years old and had 100,000 miles on it. Why? It was written on the last oil change lable and I did not know any better.
There were oil weight viscosity vs temperature charts then that I never heard of and surprising enough they still exist today, except now they refer to the motor oil equivelents rather than the straight weights of yesterday, although they are included.
So fast forward a bit, learning there is a preferred oil to run as the car ages, is driven in the summer vs the winter, hot vs cold etc. etc. untill you get to todays car where imprinted on the oil cap is the number 5W20. The modern equivelent of the oil I used to blow up my older high mileage oil consuming first car. An Oil that when it first came out was recommended as a winter weight alternative oil.
So what has been used since day zero and is argued about today must be used, the original factory recommended high fuel economy favorable oil on the 10 year old + high mileage cars that are now scattering thier guts all over the road while consuming oil and running hot.
And people are asking what to do about it.
Unfortunatly in most cases, nothing, it is too late. The damage has been done. But what could have been done to prevent the damage which in general is excess wear, stuck piston rings from pistons running hot, valve guide wear, valve seal failure and a number of other things caused in general by running oil that was too light for too long that did not reflect operational variations of conditions that could be compensated for by running heavier oil.
The following artical is a good read. It is one of many, it talks about this a bit and makes motor oil viscosity recommendations based on temperatures.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/oil_viscosity.htm
For my own purposes since 1979 I have lived in the South West where winter temperatures generally are about 50 degrees and summers can be about 100 or so. For the last 15 years in Arizona where winter temperatures are often in the 60's, it can get colder but doesn't except about 2AM in the morning and during the summer it is not uncommon to be over 100 degrees a full 1/3 of the year.
Every car I own runs 20-W-50 except my New Chrysler which runs Mobil 1 synthetic which is 15-W-50. This oil gets installed at first oil change when the car is purchased or when the engine gets rebuilt. Which ever the circumstance. I restore my own cars.
My Saturn was purchased 2 years old and was changed to 20 - W - 50 motor oil at the time.
It now has a bit over 100,000 miles on it. It does not consume oil between oil changes and according to any Oil Viscosity Chart I have seen that compares recommended Viscosity vs Temperature 20 W 50 motor oil is well with in the acceptable range.
I have not had a car consume oil since I left the snow belt and could afford cars that were not all ready trashed.
What can you do?
First, change oil to a heavier viscosity. If things are not worn out to the point oil consumption has increased, it may prolong that point.
If you are already there, it may slow down the oil consumption. Do not expect miracles.
I have on rare occasion, been able to stop oil consumption using an additive such as Z-MAX which might be causing stuck oil rings to free up if used for a while.
But I would not want to bet my life on it.
So other than expensive rebuild, check oil often and add it when needed. Oil is cheaper than a new engine.